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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 7:25 pm 
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I have a male vics that have growth in his mouth i was wondering is there anything that can treat this disease?

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Where is the growth, the front or the back?

I would move it now to a 10 gallon tank.

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It in the back where he cant swallow food... At first i thought he holding something i took him out put in a 5gal hospital tank after i open his mouth and it look like orange white inside.... It cover the whole mouth back inside...

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I have seen this many times and sadly I have not found anything that works. Its a slow starvation death as far as I can see... :(

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Some have survived with a metro and clout treatment. I have only seen a couple make it.

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i treat him with clout AND METRO PLUS EPSON SALT TOO BUT IDK HE JUST GOT WORSEER..


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I just lost a chromo to something similar. Have you guys determined this to be something contagious in the tank, or more isolated, like a tumor?


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Bad news he didnt make it today....

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Sorry for your loss.

This seems to affect only Victorians for some reason. Here is a link from before.

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=494&hilit=Growth+in+mouth

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This sounds EXACTLY like what I just experienced. If so it must've come from a somewhat recent purchase. In that older linked post it was inferred that there was a known source. Would someone please share that with me? PM if need be. Is metro the way to go then? I have Clout on hand but will go out tomorrow for whatever.

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I used both clout and metro at the same time.

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guess what, my WB male makobe has the same thing. I think i can shed some more light now that i have seen it up close.

it appears to be from poor water quality on my end. i have been busy and got behind on water changes. I lost my fosso to something similar this week and now this guy is looking bad. The makobe has his buccal cavity swollen like he is holding. I caught him and looked into the mouth, a large swollen sack was there.

i took him out and sedated him. After examining it seems to be attached to one side of the mouth., not in the center. at first appearance it was dead center clocking his throat.

I tried to lacerate it to see if it would go down. I am not sure if i was able to penetrate it or not. no puss came out, no apparent liquid. The fish is now in a QT tank at 72f, i figured the cooler temp would slow down an infection.

to me it seems to be a bacterial infection, what it has infected i am not sure. it seems to be similar to tonsillitis. but fish do not have lymph nodes so i am not sure what may be there in the mouth.


i know what i did to lead to this, being busy and lazy and slacking on water changes. build up of nitrates and organics in the water caused some sort of infection. I am treating with salt right now. If i had some anitbiotics handy i would use that. Nitrofurazone, kanamycin, or oxytetracycline would be my choices. they are the most hydrophilic, or like water.

metro and clout might be effective but not to much if it is bacterial. i did not see it in my fosso as i did not look while it was alive, after it passed i checked the gills to see if there was gill flukes. nothing there. my buddy thought it was bacterial too.

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Well it seems my little procedure had some good effects, the fish did not die. The swelling has gone down a lot. But that may be due to the salt in the hospital tank. I think he has eaten a little bit. I have not seen him eat but the pellets are not there later on.

I checked the cyst yesterday, it is still large but not completely blocking the throat like before. I am going to finish the salt treatment until tomorrow. I am going to start a round of antibiotics on wenesday. Hopefully that will take care of it.

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Thanks for the update. After conflicting info on other forums, I was reluctant to Clout my tank, so I am currently doing salt alone. Can't make up my mind if I want to use the meds or not. BTW; as I related on another forum, my fish appeared to be holding, but when the day to strip came, I found a mouthfull of sand and what I thought was a grain lodged in the side of the throat, which could not be flushed out. The fish tried to eat, but gradually wasted away over the course of 4 weeks or so. After death, I could feel a hard lump from outside the throat, so cut into it and it appeared to be as if a sand grain had been grown over, like a pearl in a clam. It wasn't until after that I came across others' experiences. Just thought I'd fill in the background on mine.


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