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 Post subject: Need help with a mystery
PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 2:35 am 
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Guys and gals, I need some help....

Below is a picture I took of one of my juvenile Ruti Is. males that has developed a black upper lip? This same thing has manifested on a young Makobe I keep too.

I did my best to get a good representation of what it looks like, the picture doesn't really capture the "black" on his upper lip. Everything else with both fish appears normal. I have never seen this before in all my years of keeping fish?

Any opinions or ideas would be greatly appreciated.

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Is this a sub dominant male?

The reason I ask is because my sub dominant nyererei has the same thing on his lower jaw. I think its from fighting. My nyererei like to lip lock a lot and I feel like this could be from the fighting.

I don know for sure though.


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I don't no what it is.

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Guys,

Thank you for your thoughts...the only thing I can think of is that it could be blood vessels that have broken under the skin of the lip from fighting, thus turning the color black, similar to us when we get a black eye? Thoughts?

The fish pictured is probably the #3 guy of the Ruti juveniles I have. The Makobe with the same coloration to his upper lip but I have yet to see him have a fight with any of the other fish.

Damn strange....but they are both healthy!

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I would also have to guess its from lip locking....
Either that or he needs to shave :lol:

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Fern";p="2467 wrote:
I would also have to guess its from lip locking....
Either that or he needs to shave :lol:

HA! Another comedian around here.....got to love it!

It appears to be diminishing...maybe my imagination? Then there's my Makobe Is that didn't eat today....damn, always something?

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i'm not sure.
bruising from lip locking could be a possibility.

i have had frontosa fry and adults get it in the lip fold area.
frontosa really don't lip lock much, so i don't think it was that in their case.

with the frontosa i just take it as a case of hypermelanism.

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I have seen black bruising like this on oscars, and dempseys. Usually the dempseys get it from sparing with convicts. Something about the small high pressure beak of a convict I suspect.


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Thanks again everyone...I'm starting to feel better about the whole thing.

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I am happy to report that the black lip syndrome is completely gone on the Ruti and almost gone with my Makobe.

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Good to hear Pantera, timeline definitely fits bruising. I have had some pretty bad cases in the past that had me worried that it was some sorta illness, but they usually clear up in several days so long as the battle isn't ongoing.


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Me,

I was very concerned....I pride myself on disease free tanks and always quaranteen my fish. I have absolutely no experience with treating disease or identifing one from the other?

Both fish acted ok but then the mind starts to play with ya. I was almost embarrassed to reach out here to our members for help, my fish keeping vanity was at stake. Thankfully I have a excellent rapport and friendship with ISeeFish and when he was stumped like myself, he advocated that I post the picture here for our members to help or advise.

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I know the feeling. I have humbled myself many a time on frontosa.com, as those fish are so different in behaviors and needs than the fish I am used too. I also know very much what it is like to have your mind start to work up things to look like something serious. In the past I am sure I treated many a phantom illnesses just out of panic. But that was before these great forums were available! You did the right thing. I know some dark spots can be parasitic issues, and in fact that's what I always freaked out about after seeing these types of bruises. Every time they were around the mouth area though they have turned out to be just that, bruises.

I think it is great that we are able to humiliate our selves for the sake of these fish these days. In the past I only had books to turn too, and now despite the hurt to my pride, I will gladly take the help of others and admitting I don't know it all over losing a fish any day!!


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Ah yes, the dark ages before the internet....

I have been keeping Africans since 1985 and was lucky enough to get a Victorian shortly there after (a sp.44) ...which were basically non existent in the Bay Area.

I remember the days of having to "wing it" and all the trial and error. Books were always so vague...never found them much help back in the day.

My vanity has been "bruised" many times before and certainly no virgin to all sorts of mistakes when it comes to keeping fish.

We are indeed fortunate to have such a forum, an "experienced collective" if you will, to provide for the best environment and care for our cichlids from Victoria.

Proud to be a part of this forum.

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Yep, Had me stumped as I have never seen it. I guess my fish don't get that rough when they lock lips. I just figured it was Dirk putting on some of his daughters blue lipstick and giving them a kiss. HA HA HA!!! Couldn't help myself. :)

Like I said. The only dumb question is the question not asked. We are all still learning and have to start somewhere. It is amazing how much informatin you can find on the internet.

This is a great place to learn from all the gurus.


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