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 Post subject: Lost a couple new fry from germany
PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 9:42 pm 
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I lost a couple of my new fry from Germany. It starts with them breathing hard and with in a day they die. There is no other signs just breathing hard, then they stop eating. They die with in 24 hour after starting to breath hard. I do weekly water changes 20 to 25%. Water readings are great ammonia 0, nitrites 0, nitrates around 15 to 20ppm by the end of the week.

I lost 3 Paralabidochromis sauvagei Makobe, 2 Labrochromis ishmaeli. I have 1 Labrochromis ishmaeli breathing hard in a hospital tank now. Treating her with maracyn. All the rest are doing great.

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Out of the 3 species i got, ishmaelis are dropping like flies. Same here, started with breathing hard and stop eating like you said. Got 14 down to 6!
Makobe and red rock sheller are doing fine ,have not lost any yet. Treating with parasite clear see what happen.


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sounds like a parasite. something on the gills. maybe treat with malachite green and formalin.

and is the maracyn copper safe?

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Lost all of the thereuterion that way.
stop eating, then heavy breathing for 2 days.

One of the other members only has 1 therueterion left from the same symptom.

None of my other shipment has lost any.

None of my previous fish are dying including zebra plecos, Alto fry (both very sensitive species).

Mine, started once the temperature started to raise.
It was also usually the largest ones to go, they'd get to be the largest, then they would die off.

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tr6";p="6887 wrote:
Mine, started once the temperature started to raise.

I notice that too.


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the rise in temp does lower o2 levels but if the temp is under 88f and not over stocked you should not have to much of a problem.

i loose fish like that here and there. i usually think its stress from other fish in the tank. but if all die off then....

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Lexine";p="6888 wrote:
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Mine, started once the temperature started to raise.

I notice that too.


Same here.

Sorry to here about the therueterions.

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Maybe our friends from Germany can help us here.

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I lost 8 of 9 Theuterion fry. like everyone else they started breathing heavy and then kicked off. I have my doubts on a parasite as mine were housed in a 70 with the red rock shellers and lemon jakes which had zero losses. My tank is in my basement which currently at 75F.

One of my losses looked as it was predation as its abdomen was ripped out but if it was the actual cause death is unknown.

I have one Theuterion left and am curious if it turns out to be a male.
Does anyone know the sex of the fish that died?

Personally I chock it up to my own short comings as an aquarist.

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Sorry to hear about your problems with our fish. I have no deseases since the last four years.
Victorian cichlids are sensitive to much stress. Then they can quick get problems with gill worms or have problems to eat. And therefore they become smaler and smaler until they die.
Against gill worms we have a medicine from "SERA". it is called "myxopur" It contents
Acriflavin, copper (II) chlorid, copper (II) sufat
With the other desease we have good success with "SERA-med" "Flagellol".
It contents 140 mg 5-Nitro-1,3-thiazol-2-ylazan per ml.
Possibly you also have such medicine in your country.

Another idea may be that in your country there may live other bacterium forms than here. And our fish are resistent against our bacteriums but not against the type at your place ???

About the stress of these fish:
You remember: part of them came from Sweden, others from northern Germany others from southern Germany. When they all were collected by Marco they should be sent some days later to you. But the vulcano in Iceland destroyed this plan for about three weeks. During that time they had to live in very small tanks. Then they came to you, were divided after some time and had another trip to the keepers around. That could have been stress for some species.

I cross fingers that at least everything will come to a good end and the fish which still live now will reach a big age.

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as a last ditch effort you can use hydrogen peroxide on the gasping ones. Not too sure of the dosage but it increases the oxygen in the water. If all of your parameters are correct you can try that. I saved a white top hara that was laying on its side gasping using this method, It was a last ditch effort, she is now quite alive and well.

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Though they are mouthing I don't know that its from lack of O2.
I'm running venturii's in those tanks.
None of the very sensitive fry in those tanks (Alto's, Zebra Pleco and Albino bushynose fry) show any signs.
neither do any other fry i have.

If it was water conditions or disease(i split my thereuterion into 3 tanks) then I would be losing ALL species and, doubtful Dave would be having a complete loss like I did.
If it was species specific, then not only would Dave and I lose that species, so would s10Jimmy who has not lost any Thereuterion's.

Dave is able to keep his temperatures down.
Though my problems started once the tanks started to get close to 90, not sure if that is infact the problem.
With the venturii's, the O2 level should be enough.

I think perhaps in my case at least, that the therueterion are more sensitive than well known touchy fish like Alto, zebra pleco and albino fry.

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I received 13 little L. ishmaeli fry and haven't lost any. The largest is around 1 1/8" (3 cm)

The 15 little Mbipia lutea I received are also doing fine and growing fast.

I lost one of the 7 young adult A alluaudi. The strainer fell off a hang on back power filter and he/she swam up the tube and died before I realized it.

I had two female alluaudi give me somewhere in the neighborhood of 40 fry around a month ago. I just got back from a weeks vacation to a little bit of bad news. I lost around ten little A alluaudi fry. I suspect that my son wasn't as diligent a fish feeder as required for a brood of fry this tiny. I'm going to separate them tomorrow just to be safe.

The alluaudi are promised to Allen, but hopefully I can replenish the ishmaeli or lutea for some of you.

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I think the loss 3 Paralabidochromis sauvagei Makobe was do to a very dominate male in the tank. I'm left with one male and about 7 females. I think he was getting rid of his competition. I never saw him being over aggressive, but all I lost were males.

As for the L. ishmaeli I lost one more today in the hospital tank. The other one in the hospital tank is breathing better now. I'll see if it will eat tomorrow.

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