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 Post subject: Re: Possible second German shipment?
PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 12:52 pm 
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Jim,

Could you share with us that didn't participate in the prior shipment what is needed and what hoops have to be jumped through to successfully pull off an international shipment. It would be a great learning experience and also let us that are interested know what we may be facing.

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Parrothead wrote:
Jim,

Could you share with us that didn't participate in the prior shipment what is needed and what hoops have to be jumped through to successfully pull off an international shipment. It would be a great learning experience and also let us that are interested know what we may be facing.

Thanks in advance.


That would be great. I will touch base with the Germans to see if this is even an option.


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tr6 wrote:
Yeah, the cost wasn't that bad.

I think i got 2 groups of fry for like $50.
then 4 subadults chilotes for another $50.

then we spread out shipping, i don't think i paid more than $135 for like 30 fish.

But its not the cost thats a real factor.

The europeans have to do alot of work organizing, and crossing country borders.
last time was bad because there was that volcano that grounded planes at the time our shipment was due.

Then Allen and Jim had to do a ton of work, getting permits ready, organizing with the inspector, driving 4 hours to pick the fish up in the middle of the night, then driving back to their places, organizing all the fish in tanks, dealing with DOA's, then they had to deal with shipping out to all the people.
not to mention getting money from people, so they did a ton of work.
same amount of work that a dealer would do, but without the profit mark up.

my guess is maybe a little smaller shipment, maybe fewer people.
also depends on what the European breeders want to do.



Tr6 said it better than I can. I can also add collecting the money, and showing where the money is going. Wiring money to Germany. Then you have to have a free tank for every species. We had to set-up over 40 tanks for our shipment. Then you have to ship fish out to everyone involved. I'm glad we did it, but it will be awhile before I would try this again.

The Germans wanted us to ship some fish to them. I started to look into this, but my wife said NO. She remembers how stressed out I got with our shipment. She did not want to go through it again. I can't blame her at all. If it was not for Allen coming and helping at the end I don't think we could of pulled off the shipment.

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Those guys did a ton of work. I was looking to do it at first but I did not have the time nor the space to get it done. I am glad they did it but i know how much work that is and if selling fish is not your sole job it is super difficult to do.

If you have a fish business and have the time it would not be to difficult. But it is a lot of money and paperwork to get everything going.

I think we would have to send them fish before we could start thinking about getting more fish from them. besides the really was not many fish left that we did not bring in. I think we brought in 35 species or so. Out of those probably 20 have been breed and distributed around the nation. The other species were either lost to disease, lost in shipment, or sent only one sex of fish. It would also take about 6 months to a year to get a shipment going again. Basically they breed us the fish to send to us, so they could ship smaller fish and save space.

I would strongly suggest we return the favor before we ask more of them. Just my 2 cents.

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Thanks Jim and Dre, you guys are both great, not just because I got awesome fish from you both :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: and yes, they are incredible, and before you go there Jim, I know pics are needed, just got a lot of BS beyond my control going on right now.....On the subject of them being spread around, how's that list going Jim, I've got a single species tank that could use some roomies, no german fish, but A. Lats, any suggestions might be really cool :wink: :wink:


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didn't find this site until the last shipment was in the air (volcano and all). would really like to take part in a second one.


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I would strongly suggest we return the favor before we ask more of them. Just my 2 cents.



I'm for that, but what's here that they would want?


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Here is the email I got from Marcos.

The species which we would have with pleasure, are:



Psammochromis riponianus
Harpagochromis perrieri
Harpagochromis golden duck
Neochromis rufocaudalis python
Neochromis rufocaudalis makobe
Pundamilia nyererei "Anchor Island"
Lithochromis rufus
Paralabidochromis chromogynos
Haplochromis sp. "ruby green" from Kevin Bauman for Emilio Sanchez from Brussels
Ptyoochromis red tail sheller
Haplochromis sp. "dayglow"
Mbipia lutea "Spotbar"

If it´s available; the old strain of Platytaeniodus degenis and blue obliquidens via Greg , will be great too!



And our polish friend Krzisiek (Sendog) want´s some Astatotilapia desfontainii, Neochromis sp. "madonna" and Haplochromis sp. "all red" Kyoga & Nawampassa (Dave Hansen?)



And any species of Etheostoma, if availaible?



Greetings



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I'm not connected well enough to know where to find reliable specimens of most of those species. I can devote tank space and time. I'd love to do anything else I can to help, I'm just not sure what that might be.

Dave just got some A. desfontainii in..

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i think its fair that we send them species in return for what they did for us.
this means that it may be twice the work for a person or group...as in will it be the same person sending fish to europe, as the same person receiving fish to USA.

It was alot of working bringing them in, and it will be alot of work sending them out.

So we need either one or two "sites" that have tank space. Pretty close to a major international airport.

Also, if none of our members have those requested fish, then we have to search them out and either buy breeders, or hope that breeders/dealers donate to the cause.

I know Rare Dave has a couple of the requested species, and Im sure Kevin does.
as far as the rest of us, we got alot of our species FROM the Europeans, so they have what we got i would think.

my thoughts would be, we try to find and breed the wanted species for Europe.
Those people who send out a species to Europe would get first choice on the next Europe incoming shipment.
Id say March would be a fair time to send them out to Europe.
that allows 6 months to find and breed fish for them.

then hopefully they can send us some fish say in May?

so they are requesting 19 species.
next task is to locate those 19 species.

my thoughts are that if ten people locate 2 species and breed two species, we would be good.
now, my guess is only 10 of those species will be found and bred.
so if 2 or 3 people breed 1 or 2 of those ten species, we could have a nice shipment for them.

i guess we need to find out how many species we can actually find.
how many of us have tank space for how many species.
how many fry the europeans want from the species we CAN get.

of the list they requested, i know there are 2 species i would like to have and breed for them, and i know where they are.

we have to figure out what to do for people who have the same fish.
example, it doesn't do us any good if ten people all are breeding that same requested fish.
there has to be an incentive for people to go and get other fish to breed for europe.
otherwise we will all get the same fish to breed for them.

then we can work on who can house the fry prior to send out to Europe.

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im game i have a ton of fry and fish that are holding now


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I'm willing to help, I have some Psammochromis riponianus growing out now. I'm trying to get them to breed again. I think Allen has some Haplochromis sp. "dayglow" breedding now. I have a lead on Harpagochromis golden duck.

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I should be able to get my hands on some Red Tail Shellers. One question-does it need to be fry, or would it be ok to send a trio?


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I would be interested. I have some red tail shellers that I would put for sale if we want to send them somethings

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The best would be to send young fry, in the 2-4 month range. It makes it much easier to ship and they travel better than older fish.

i dont know how they got the fish from all the breeders but if people will only sell them then the shipper would have to buy the fish, breed and or re-ship them. So that is a lot of money up front. I dont have anything on the list and dont have much tank space. But if someone else in this area would take charge I would definitely help with packing and transport. I may even be able to find a fish house to rent tanks from, again more money. I also have connections to ship fish out of the country, not sure how much it is but we would have to find out where they are going.

It is a lot of work and i think 6 months is not enough time. Those guys were taking order 6 months in advance and had the breeders ready to take the next spawns.

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