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 Post subject: Wild caught Vic's
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I know in the last 10 years there has only been 2 or 3 shipments of Wild caught Victorians come in. Is there any chance of more wild caught being imported in? I can get anything I want but Victorians.


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Good question.
I don't even know who the collectors are on Victoria.

Maybe we will have to go set up shop there!
ALot easier to get to Victoria then the other 2 main lakes.


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Allen, we have another project. :D


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hmm. projects cost money and we still have frontosa projects that are not done

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what kind of frontosa projects, how come i don't know about any of them?
i'm still wanting to do a frontosa pond in a greenhouse.
big enough to swim in.
thinking 20ft x 10 ft x 10 ft.
could make the depth only 3 ft, but thats about what i want to do.
I saw a cool idea that i got from a guy who made a swimming pool that size.
also got a idea from connie's in castro valley, they got a koi pond about 40ft long, 3 ft wide and 2 ft deep. kind of like a shallow lap pool, that would be kind of cool.
as long as you don't go deep, the pressure on the outside walls is not that much.
its why most tanks are about the same height.
any deeper and they need thicker glass/plexi.
3 feet depth is about the max point before you have to start going thick.

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what kind of frontosa projects, how come i don't know about any of them?
i'm still wanting to do a frontosa pond in a greenhouse.
big enough to swim in.
thinking 20ft x 10 ft x 10 ft.
could make the depth only 3 ft, but thats about what i want to do.
I saw a cool idea that i got from a guy who made a swimming pool that size.
also got a idea from connie's in castro valley, they got a koi pond about 40ft long, 3 ft wide and 2 ft deep. kind of like a shallow lap pool, that would be kind of cool.
as long as you don't go deep, the pressure on the outside walls is not that much.
its why most tanks are about the same height.
any deeper and they need thicker glass/plexi.
3 feet depth is about the max point before you have to start going thick.


There was talk of some cichlid collecting trips

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oh, but only 1 of those involve frontosa.
Konings mentioned a trip coming up, but did not give a date, gotta get back to him on that.
California desert is way too hot till september, unless you all want to make a run in august.
hawaii may be in december.

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OK let's get back to wild caught Vic's, dose anyone have any info on this?

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:wink: Big Jim you are correct let talk about Vics.... :)


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Big Jim";p="381 wrote:
I know in the last 10 years there has only been 2 or 3 shipments of Wild caught Victorians come in. Is there any chance of more wild caught being imported in?


It is my understanding that some one was collecting on Lake Tanganyika and decided to do a quick detour to Lake Victoria near Mwanza Gulf. They paid some locals to catch some Victorians with hook and line and they ended up with Laif DeMason (Old World Exotics).

Then there was another guy working temporarily in Uganda that visited Lake Victoria as well as some of the satellite lakes. (Can't remember if I read this in Cichlid News or the Buntbarshe). He brought a few back but they didn't end up with any commercial breeders.

I doubt that there are any plans for commercial export. It doesn't make much financial sense for the exporter and I thought there was some sort of Victorian export ban except for scientific purposes in one or more of the countries around the lake. One of the biggest problems with the wild caught was matching females to the correct males.

Unfortunately this has created an opportunity for lots of breeders to claim they have F1 stock when they really don't.

Greg Steeves knows a whole lot more about this than I do, so you can get the straight scoop from him. None of this is first hand knowledge from me.

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What was the WC vic's that Atlantis brought in last year. I know a person who bought a WC male Pundamilia nyererei (Mwanza) from Peter. He is now selling f-1 on some auction sites now. I know he did not get any females but he did get a male. Now you can figure out how he has f-1s.

I would love to just get some WC cichlids.


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 Post subject: Re: Wild caught Vic's
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Lol, Jim. Between you, Allen, and Me We have so much dirt on some people.


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To bad we are not in politics.lol

It is simple, ether your honest or your not. We all know he is not. We gave him a chance to clean his act up and he blew it.

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 Post subject: Re: Wild caught Vic's
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Most don't get how the generations work.

F designation is for how long you run the line.

F0 does not exist but is instead actually P or parental stock.

So you take someones F4 and breed it to someones F2 then all your babies will be F1 as that is the first of your line.

F designation has little to do with how "wild" something is

so be careful who you slam :)


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:) heres a good thread to read about it
http://okcaa.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=6276


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