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 Post subject: Bagging fish for shipment.
PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 10:14 pm 
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This is what I do when I ship fish. Other people ship fish differently than I do and I'm not saying they are wrong. I just want to share the way I do it and hope it helps people.

When I bag fish for shipping there are a couple of things I do a day before shipping them. I will not feed the fish 24 hours before bagging them. I will also do a good water change in the tank a day before or the morning of bagging the fish. There are some things you need for shipping fish.

1. Air, I use a small air tank with a air regulator on it.
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3. Bags for shipping the fish. These bags are 4x18 tube bags. The bags are folded in half.
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I use a 3 gallon bucket for my water. Some people use tank water, I use tap water. I let the water set for 30 minutes with air running in it. After the water is room temp. I will add bag buddies to the water. I will use 4 bag buddies in the 3 gallon bucket.
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I will then go collect the fish I'm shipping. I have a small tub I hold them in. I put 1 bag buddy in the water. I start this water the same time I start the bucket water.
I let the fish set in this water for about 15 minutes before bagging them. They will usually take a dump in the water doing this time. After 15 minutes we start the bagging process.
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I have about 6 cheap Walmart measuring cups I use for holding the fish. I use about 1 cup of water in each measuring cup. I then add 1 fish to each measuring cup. If fish are smaller than .75 inch I could add 2 fish. Anything over .75 to 1 inch I like to add only one fish. The reason I like to only bag 1 fish to a bag is the water will not get contaminated by a weak fish that died in shipment. It cost a little more to ship this way but you worry less about DOA's.
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Now the easy part, put the fish in the bag.
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VIDEO, my wife is going to kill me I just put everything on the stove when I started to bag fish.
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Now to the boxing of the fish it's not I think the pictures tells it all. When winter time I like to use 2 heat pack in a 12x12x8 box.
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If you have a scale at home you can weigh the box and pay on line. Then you just have to drop the fish off at the post office and not wait in line.
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Here is all the box's Allen and I did last weekend.
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I hope this helps people. If you have any questions please ask.

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Thanks Jim , 8) this will help me out this spring when I start shipping out fish !

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Very nicely done, and you taught me a short cut or two.


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Big Jim wrote:
I start this water the same time I start the bucket water.


Meaning you fill the tub at the same time as the 3-gallon bucket? The tub is also aerated? (I can't see the pictures on this computer.)

Is it the Bag Buddies that turns the water blue like that? No Prime? Bag Buddies clears the chloramine?

Also, would you please elaborate on bagging the fish? How is the oxygen applied? Need to worry about too much pressure in the bag?

Temperature guidelines for using heat packs/not using heat packs?

Tell me if I'm not asking the right questions. Thanks!


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Alowishus wrote:
Big Jim wrote:
I start this water the same time I start the bucket water.


Meaning you fill the tub at the same time as the 3-gallon bucket? The tub is also aerated? (I can't see the pictures on this computer.)

Is it the Bag Buddies that turns the water blue like that? No Prime? Bag Buddies clears the chloramine?

Also, would you please elaborate on bagging the fish? How is the oxygen applied? Need to worry about too much pressure in the bag?

Temperature guidelines for using heat packs/not using heat packs?

Tell me if I'm not asking the right questions. Thanks!


I just fill the tub I don't add air to it.

The bottle of Bag Buddies said it removes chlorine but it dose not say chloramine. I don't like to use prime in the water. I read somewhere that Prime will remove O2 from the water.

The air-regulator helps with the air-pressure. I keep mine set at 12lbs of pressure. It can go a lot higher but it will blow out the bottom of the bags. You can see the hose coming out of the air-regulator at the end I have a regular airnossel.

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In the dead of winter I use 2 heat packs in a 12x12x8 box. I use 1 heat pack in a 12x12x5.5 box. As it starts to warm up I will only use 1 heat pack in both box's. In the summer I don't use heat packs.

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Oh how I miss the ease of summer shipping.


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great thread jim!

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great thread jim!


Agreed!


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Me wrote:
Oh how I miss the ease of summer shipping.


You and me both I just had to buy another case of 72 hour heat packs.

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yes prime does use up o2 in the water. so not a good thing to add just that to the shipping water but with o2 in the bag it kind of balances out.


yea i have noticed even purging the fish for 48-72 hours they still somehow manage to poop in the bucket water. i think it has to do with the stress and dope water(bag buddie water). so i started doing it like jim not to long ago. get some tank water and add bag buddie to it. catch fish and add them to the bucket. then get some fresh water and add more buddies. Then use container with fresh water and catch fish.

add to bag and bam thats it. helps keep it clean. and another tip, you dont want the bags to tight with air either, the pressure of flying can sometimes pop bags. I learned that the hard way. So you want them to be full but not super tight. leave a little room to expand. and dont cram them into the box either if you can, a drop or bounce can pop them also.

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I double bag them with tops tied at opposite ends to keep fish from getting trapped in the corners. It looks like Big Jim does too. Uses bags twice as fast, but I have seen fish get pinched just during packaging, and had to remove that fish from the order cause it started swimming funny.


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wish i had access to the bags we got from the European VIC shipment.
cornerless bags!

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corners less or square bottoms??

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The bags we got from the Euro shipment have rounded bottoms, so fish can't get trapped.
very cool.

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Either Allen used some of these bags to send my fish, or I saw some somewhere else... maybe wetspot?? I remember having some anyways. very cool bags indeed.


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