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 Post subject: confuse about victorian
PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:04 am 
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is there such a thing about wild caught victorian?? cause a guy said he had the best wild caught victorian fish. does the wild caught even exist on victorian? let me know.

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Yes but no. There are very few specimens collected that are introduced into the hobby. Most of them go to educational institutions to be studied. I do not know of any coming in recently, but I am not to up to date on those trips and shipments.

I would only trust a hand full of people who might actually be able to get wild caught stock, and i doubt they would be selling it off. Most of the time they breed the fish, distribute to other conservationists and keep tight records of the fish.

If this is a store of breeder i would ask around more to find out about their reputation and importation. Myself, i would not really believe there to be wild vics readily available.

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Hi All,

A new load of wild caught victorians came up for sale on Dec 3, 2012. Old World Exotic Fish, Inc.brought them in.

I picked up a crap load of them and they will be in Texas today! I'll get them shipped up to Iowa and post some pics. Whoot!

Old World's list
http://www.oldworldexoticfish.com/stock.html

Specifically the Wild Victorians
http://www.oldworldexoticfish.com/stock-victoria.pdf

You still have to be very careful about who is claiming to have fish off this shipment. These are still pretty limited numbers and my buddy pulled the trigger on his order before the other retailers did.

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 Post subject: Re: confuse about victorian
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Hi One thing disturbs me with this list, the Neochromis black Ob piebald scraper( if I tranlsate well this means black orange blottched white blottched scraper), this means nothing wether it's neochromis omnicaruleus or wether it's an undescribed species
same thing for red Orange pieblad
the Neochromis sp giant from makobe is Neochromis gigas
the rockribensis is actually H.sauvagei
and the P.nyererei Mwanza gulf seems very approximative, wether it's mwanza bay or another island
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 Post subject: Re: confuse about victorian
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I'm afraid to see misidentified fishes be kept together knowing that the orange blottched females are found among Neochromis onmicaruleus but also in N.greenwoodi.
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a lot of times they make up names to sell the fish. it is not 'catchy' to sell them by their latin names. all wholesalers do this. very few species have any described name on the listings, it just makes things worse.

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Are they coming out of Africa with the "catchy" name already attached, or is it someone at OWE making it up when listing it? Would a phone call to the shop be able to provide the proper latin name/collection point? Just curious, as it seems like Old World seems to have a better reputation than to do this.


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I don't want to critisize the shipment nor old world exotic, I'm just saying that under those names, two close species can be distributed in the same time.
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They should have the records on file, but sometimes that is just how they come in. Leif is very knowledgeable. I would venture to say that he would have the names listed as they came in, which is sometimes the problem with getting in wild stock. You go by what they come in as and if you have not seen it before or do not receive that species much it may be hard to decide if the name is correct.

But a name like black OB piebald scrapper to me is trying to be a selling point. It sounds like a 'new' specimen that has not been properly ID yet.

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