Jay,
great photo.
I just caught DW's pics. Good joke.
I am not aware of any phytophagus from lake Victoria proper here in the US. I thought they were all from Kanyaboli. Considering it was part of Victoria proper not too long ago and is connected to Victoria by the Nile, it makes perfect sense they are a remnant population.

The first Kent collection was in 2007 Mwanza Bay, wasn't it? "Hook and line" collection after collecting on Tanganyika. That's where the P. nyererer Mwanza Rare Dave & Greg had came from. Are your "fulus" from that collection DW?

teknikAL wrote (View Post): › Jay, great photo. I just caught DW's pics. Good joke. I am not aware of any phytophagus from lake Victoria proper here in the US. I thought they were all from Kanyaboli. Considering it was part of Victoria proper not too long ago and is connected to Victoria by the Nile, it makes perfect sense they are a remnant population. The first Kent collection was in 2004 Mwanza Bay, wasn't it? "Hook and line" collection after collecting on Tanganyika. That's where the P. nyererer Mwanza Rare Dave & Greg had came from. Are your "fulus" from that collection DW?

I'm not sure anyone in the world has any Vic collected fulus. On one of my other forums I noticed very little (well none) talk about x. phytophagus and it was explained to me that this was because Xmas Fulu is not considered a true Vic there.

I have been able to establish that the first fish imported as Xmas Fulus to Australia came in the late 80's. Probably 1988. I'm going to a cichlid club meeting tomorrow to go through the archives and try to get more info. The fellow who is helping me didn't know the collection point.

As I haven't yet seen a Xmas Fulu yet that looks like the ones posted here I am wondering if the ones that came here are a different variant to the Kanyaboli.

Then again, all the fulu's I see, including the ones I own look far more like dayglows but I haven't yet been able to establish if they were ever imported

No wonder it's a mess.

(Hap.) Xystichromis nuchisquamulatus is a close looking fish that fills the same niche.
Check it out at haplochromis.org. It's from the outlet to the Victorian Nile I believe.
http://www.haplochromis.org/minifiches2/498_EN.html

teknikAL wrote (View Post): › (Hap.) Xystichromis nuchisquamulatus is a close looking fish that fills the same niche. Check it out at haplochromis.org. It's from the outlet to the Victorian Nile I believe. http://www.haplochromis.org/minifiches2/498_EN.html

Color wise I can see that but he seems to have much more extravagant finnage. Particularly the dorsal. Much different mouth and jaw structure. Bit of a bump on the nose instead of the concave slope of the Xmas fulu.

Body shape is close but nuchi's head looks shorter.

Nice fishy.

I believe the bump on the nose is particular to this specific speciman. If you look at the female, I believe you'll get a better representation of the body form.
I do believe fulu is used exclusivly for the phytophagus and maybe the dayglow. The naming pattern appears to be that fulu applies to the genus Xystichromis. The Xystichromis nuchisquamulatus is the only member of the Xystichromis genus from Victoria proper kept in the hobby. (As far as I can tell).

I'm pretty sure fulu is actually just an African word for Haplochromine.

I think you are correct as well. When Greenwood (I think) re classified some of the hap fish as Xystichromis the word stuck with these particular haps. Could well be wrong on that but I know I read something along those lines in one of these books here

teknikAL - do you know where there are any other photos of nuchisquamulatus? Seems to be the only pic on the whole internet is the one from haplochromis.org

I thought furu was the general term.
Anyway, is one other photo of nuchisquamulatus. Seems to be the only other pic on the whole internet is the one on a haplochromis.org member's personal page. It appears as if it is a catalogue photo from a study or collection. I will see what more info I can get.

I would not argue with that teknikAL as I have seen both words, furu and fulu, used.

Could easily be an error in translation for all I know.

Yes, in the second pic the head is more typical of xystichromis I see. He looks more like the female from hap.org as well.

Sorry for the hijack... but..
I found a thread from 2008 where Axel was looking for the nuchisquamulatus. Aparently he found someone with two males but no females. Scroll down to Peter: http://www.cichlidenwelt.de/wbb/thread.php?threadid=15909&hilight=nuchisquamulatus

I'll look further.

teknikAL wrote (View Post): › Sorry for the hijack... but.. I found a thread from 2008 where Axel was looking for the nuchisquamulatus. Aparently he found someone with two males but no females. I'll look further.

time to clone!? I am half serious, wouldn't it be a potential solution for this situation, and wouldn't it almost be easier with fish than with mammals?

Maybe not Me. Without knowing the full gammut of what goes into cloning I do know that a common goldfish has 96 chromosomes. Almost double that of humans.

Then again, those 96 chromosomes might carry less alleles therefore less genes and subsequently fewer DNA strands

See what you have started now?

Lol, it's over my head as far as my current knowledge of cloning Frenzy. My wife who is Japanese wanted to freeze her beloved bunny when he passed away because apparently there is a company in south Korea that offers cloning of pets. She was the first to admit it is likely a hoax, and they probably just sell you a very expensive look alike, and of course I dissuaded her from freezing the poor thing. She still has a bunch of his hair from brushing him though, and I worry she may make a trip to Korea next time she is in Japan, just in hopes of it being real. This was her first real pet btw, hence the reluctance to let go.

Wow, had to kick this thread back up. I am amazed how much info came out of my question.

teknikAL wrote (View Post): › I thought furu was the general term.

Frenzy wrote (View Post): › I would not argue with that teknikAL as I have seen both words, furu and fulu, used. Could easily be an error in translation for all I know.

I thought furu was the african word for Victorian Haplochromide and fulu was the african equivalent of mbuna in Lake Victoria.

That's why I was initially a little confused when everyone here referred to the Xystichromis phytophagus as simply furu instead of the full common name Xmas fulu.

(getting back to the original question...my newly acquired Hap fire came from Jay Westlock and they're lookin' good)

Kevin

I would just ask the captin cichlid guy. I've heard of him. I have excperience from daves thu. 35 plus actual fish for 3 1 inchers.